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January 22, 2013
Derek John Thomas

Evil in Radical Oneness (I’m still thinking about the title) ^&^

“When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways.” (Corinthians 1: 13, 11; NRSV)

When I was a child, I was very interested in the devil, evil spirits, possessions, and even the more human evils such as serial killers. I lumped them all into one category, and placing myself opposed to them helped me feel my own goodness and righteousness. I felt myself to be more strongly on God’s side because I felt we both had the same enemy: evil and the devil. I wanted the chance to meet one of the spiritually evil ones so I could do battle against them. I really did. I should also mention, for fear of sounding as if I saw myself as the all powerful and righteous sword of the Almighty, that I was at times afraid of the Devil. It was a kind of excited fear, the kind you might get at seeing something that is at once intriguing yet monstrous at the same time, the way some people feel when they see a millipede or a snake. Perhaps my dread played some part in my desire to vanquish. So while I was fearful, I was actually disappointed that I had never met one of those evil demons. I tried. I used Ouija Boards, read books on magic, and generally tried to keep myself open to the experience. I had a couple of odd experiences with Ouija Boards (once I felt an alien spirit use my arm to cast shadows in an attempt to communicate after using one) and I had an odd experience of waking to see a robed figure chained to a post in shadow form in the corner of my room, but I was looking for the “Amityville Horror” kind of thing. I saw so many people afraid of the evil one, but as a super hero always wins against the villain, God always wins over the devil, so I couldn’t understand fully why people were so afraid of him. Now as a man in his fifties, my attitudes have changed. I’m still a little disappointed that I have never seen a ghost, but I am not so fixated on evil anymore.

We sometimes confuse the various meanings of the word evil, so it perhaps needs a little definition. In this chapter, when speaking of evil, I am referring to evil as an entity or a force which opposes good, rather than a quality that can be used to describe character or an action. If we say that someone is evil, we are usually describing someone who we believe is living an immoral life or has no ethics. If we pronounce an action evil, we are saying the it was extremely harmful or caused excessive misfortune and suffering. However, evil can also indicate a supernatural entity and/or force that is diametrically opposed to the creating God, who is all goodness, and as God has angels, so would the opposing evil entity, named Lucifer or the Devil in Christianity and Shaitan in Islam, have an army of demons. (Just writing those names on paper brings forth some memory of my enigmatic feelings toward the Evil one).

In radical oneness, how do we approach the question of evil? In science, consciousness is considered “the hard problem.” For spirituality, the hard problems would probably be evil and sin. If we accept radical oneness, can we also include evil? If so, how? Radical oneness presumes that there is one Divine Creator of everything – EVERYTHING. All exists within and is inextricably part of the One Creating Source. If we understand that God is Love, Well-being, Creation and all Good, can we also accept that that same God created evil? Would that God create something opposite to or opposing Source? I no longer believe that there is an existential source of evil that could be named Satan or the Devil. There it is. I’ve said it. I don’t believe in the Devil any more. I believe the idea of a source of evil is part of the illusion of dualism that was created by humankind as we developed our cognitive abilities. We humans have learned to divide the physical world into opposing pair: good/bad, hot/cold, high/low, me/you(not-me). It is perhaps part of our enjoyment of labeling and organizing things. The ability to do this is very useful and has been of great benefit in our developments in culture, science, philosophy and perhaps nearly every area that we think about. However, when we start to confuse our labels and distinctions, our thought tools, with reality, we get into trouble. We confuse our perceptions for reality.

In radical oneness, all non-physical would be closer in state and quality to the originating Source, not farther. If we see creation as moving through states of increasing diversity and into a more physical form, perhaps what we call the physical realm would would contain the most likelihood for evil, but as a supernatural being that is evil in essence and action would not fit in with the concept of radical oneness. Which leaves us with the question of where does the evil we perceive in the world come from? What is it? There are two aspects to that question that need to be probed. One is whether evil exists even in the physically expressing plane and if so, how does it arise if there is no source. I think quite a lot of confusion exists because we use the word evil quite offhandedly; we use it to describe people, their actions, their motivations, and their political, social, financial and even religious institutions, and we also use it to describe turns of fate, as in, “an evil turn of event.” Perhaps not so frequently as in the past, but we also attribute evil to  natural phenomena: disease, natural disaster, and other life forms, such as animals. Some people even teasingly call their friends evil when they have done something that they should not have done but is at the same time funny. As an example, there is a line from the play, “Steel Magnolias,” written by Robert Haring, in which Ouiser says to Clairee, laughing,, “you are evil, and you must be destroyed.” In truth our use of the word is confusing and there is also very little consensus about what is evil. The president of the U.S.A. calls North Korea evil, and North Korea responds in kind. One group calls Che Guevara evil and another calls him a champion. Some people call homosexuals evil and others call them part of natural diversity. Religious groups even point fingers at each other labeling the other as evil, sometimes even going to the extreme of saying the other religion is worshiping the Devil. This lack of consensus speaks volumes to me. It demonstrates that our usual usage of the word evil points not to an intrinsic state but rather to a moral judgement. This does not necessarily diminish the impact of the word, it does however, to my mind, answer the question of whether there is a force of, or source of evil. There is not. It is a value judgement on a scale of wanted and unwanted.

So if it is a value judgement, and not a state, perhaps we should even admit that there is no created thing within the Oneness that is intrinsically evil. Every existing creation is from a source of Good and would in essence also be good, so how would evil as a quality come about? It would have to arise from free will. All of the beings manifesting in the physical plane have free will (in amount in relation to the amount of their consciousness and perception of choices) which includes the free will to resist the good. To allow for preferences, contrast and diversity, the unwanted is just as necessary as the wanted to drive creation. So, we have the free will to act in opposition to the good, to choose the not-good action which we name evil. We humans look at things we like and call them good and things we don’t like and call them evil. The amount of consensus about what we don’t like might, we may understand, increase the strength of the label evil, but that still would not make the agent or the creator of the evil outcome essentially evil. Even one of the most extreme examples in modern times, Adolf Hitler, would not be essentially evil. His actions were indeed horrific and immoral in the extreme, however the being that expressed itself as Hitler in the physical plane was not evil, but rather the manifested Hitler was acting in the most extreme form of resistance to the good imaginable. That may be difficult to accept, but I believe that is what radical oneness points to, and what many people we call holy, or very good, or the most connected with Source, believe when they say things like Mahatma Gandhi’s famous quote from his autobiography, “hate the sin, not the sinner.” This is why Jesus would not condemn the ones who put His physical body to death. So evil is an attribute occurring within the physical plane in extreme resistance to the Goodness of the Divine Creator.It is a human judgement. I cannot say whether the One Creating God would also label actions as evil or not. I tend to believe that the concept of evil is so inherently part of a dualistic view of the world that while God would certainly be aware of the concept, the Creator would still hold all in an attitude of Love, Compassion and Allowing. For in essence, what are the ultimate consequences of the things we call evil? Suffering and death. Suffering is temporary in the physical realm and death is an immediate transition to non-physical, which is a good thing. Even from our perspective, there is so much more good than evil, so much more to be grateful for than to condemn, that from an even broader perspective, even something which we see as horrific as genocide, is a very small event and while worthy of great compassion for both the victims and perpetrators, might not be condemned from the perspective of Source, but rather accepted as a stage of overall creation.

So since all of this diversity is desirable for creation and expansion, and when we are aligned with our Selves and the Creating One, we can love the perpetrator of evil while at the same time hating the action, can we then label it as sin? Does the perpetrator suffer any consequences? Is there no judgement, really? Can we all just run around and do anything we want without having to face any consequences? We can of course label actions as sin, as unwanted. We can recognize actions as harmful, particularly when they directly infringe on the ability of another to live a happy, healthy, peaceful and prosperous life. I think we need to be careful of making arbitrary lists of rules of morality just because we do not agree with an action, don’t want to experience or witness it, or just dislike it because it is different from what we do. Those moral rules that say that, for example, homosexuality, not worshiping God the same way, or eating certain kinds of food is wrong, are just plain immature and cause more evil than not. On the other hand, actions that directly cause harm to another physically manifesting being, can be condemned. Perhaps my distinction is too simplistic, but that is where I stand at this time. So, for this kind of sin, of evil act, are there any consequences? In the physical realm, there are many consequences. There are the consequences of social condemnation, imprisonment, and ostracization. These are all results of human judgement. But we also need to take a closer look at the perpetrator.

Remember that in radical oneness, we humans are all physical manifestations of our Selves which are in eternal union within the Oneness of God. Even in our human form, we are essentially aligned with our Source when we first manifest. Then, as we move through this space/time existence, we learn more and more the dualistic mind, we learn lack, we learn suffering. We learn resistance. The more we resist the goodness, abundance and well-being of our Creator, the more we suffer and react. We begin to act out. We fear and lash out because we feel we need to protect ourselves. We fear and we steal or hord because we want to stave off perceived lack. We fear and we suffer more. We may hide our suffering from our conscious minds by covering it with anger, righteousness or something else, but we are still in essence suffering as we commit evil acts. And then we suffer the results of resisting the good and doing harm. Finally our fear catches up with us or builds to the point where it can no longer be suppressed and we suffer even more. The suffering causes disease, loneliness, paranoia: emotional, physical and mental anguish. This can be called karma.

So, I agree that there are consequences to evil deeds in the physically manifesting plane, but what about after death? Is there a hell? Does God condemn? Does karma carry over to another life? First, let me emphasize with the strongest of emphases, I do not know. I have not been there in my manifesting self state and I question much of the traditional beliefs in this regard. I am dubious as to weather when revealed truth was received by inspired writers, when it was recorded years after the death or ascension of the great teacher, when it was contemplated by the human, it was contemplated in human, dualistic, judgemental, and to some extent even resistant terms. Even people who say that they have gone to “the-other-side” and returned are forced to translate their experiences in human language and concepts. It is an impossible task. I think any fear, judgement and pain that is associated to the non-physical speaks more to the transcriber and the transcriber’s cultural context and emotional state than to the actual experience. Now, dear reader, do not be alarmed. I am NOT saying there is no truth, direction or validity to revealed and or recorded scripture and personal experience. I am simply saying it needs careful interpretation and, for want of a better word, sifting. My guide would be this. The more goodness, love and joy that is spoken, the closer the words are to our common Creating Source. The more fear, judgement and condemnation that is expressed, the farther the words are from the position of God. Some may say that I am promoting pluralism, and indeed I suppose I am. I believe there is not only one revealed truth. I believe the Creating God enjoys diversity and expresses the Godself in various ways depending on the receiver and the receiver’s personal, temporal and cultural needs.

I also hear a cry from the distance. “What about justice?” I just have to respond that justice is entirely a human need, and while I often feel the desire to stand up and fight for the underdog, I also realize that is entirely my own human perspective. Next, I hear the cry, “What about the victim?” For the victim, deep compassion. That is enough. That is all. Love. Compassion, Joy. and Awareness.

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10 responses

  1. You writing on evil is much appreciated and enjoyed. A cute and humorous thing happened after those close to me realized that I had begun to shift away from duality and toward oneness. I was raised in a very fundamental Christian family and my mother is still involved with those delightful people. But, they teach heaven or hell and do it as if to suggest that God is an angry God. Anyway, one day my mom, being totally concerned for her dear son, said, “Son, how can you expect to go the heaven if you do not believe in the devil?” I still want to laugh when I remember it, but from respect for my mother I did not laugh when she asked it. She is a great mom and I love her completely, but her question is an example of the way our minds elevate concepts into dogmatic and discriminating religion. Years have past and she has witnesses the fruits of my oneness and she no longer fears for me in the next life. But, she still has not given up her concept of there being a devil, yet she and I are still inseparably and eternally one no matter what our beliefs are.

  2. I think it’s wonderful that you and your mother can even talk about this. Even if the two of you are not “on the same page,” as it were, it is a blessing that she doesn’t worry anymore and she seems to understand your perspective even if she doesn’t believe it is true. My mother is Roman Catholic (she left the church for some years because she felt she should be excluded, I think, but she went back – which is a step in the right direction). She got pretty confused when I started talking about church history, etc. and thinking about theology creates so many uncomfortable questions for her that she seems to prefer not to think about it much. I love her faith in God and prayer and all things holy. I’m not sure what she things about the state of my soul, but I know she trusts in the effectiveness of her prayer, so she comforts herself with that. She also gets the God is Love thing too. ^&^ At least I think so.
    I find that looking at the descriptions of God, or even Jesus and Mary for that matter, in relation to the social structures of the time is very enlightening. And as those descriptions change in accordance to the describers, I, and I’m guessing you – we have looked behind the veil of cultural influence to the consistent, core kernels of truth. The other option is that God has multiple personality disorder. (kkkk)

    • very well argued, except, as i noted elsewhere, if you do away with evil you must do away with good as well. otherwise the argument does not stand up, because good and evil are opposites in the same equation. how would you know good if there was no evil?? thus, following your argument, there is no evil, but no good either, just varying forces in the universe. therefore, the creation is not evil, but not good either. no hate, but no love either. if you deny the one, you intrinsically deny the other. do you follow? i am very interested to see how you can argue for good being there in any rational manner without evil being there, not in God himself, but in the creation, and specifically in human life, where you find free will. at the end of the day, general ideas can be fun to argue, but when people read books, they want to know how to apply them to their own life. where is your idea leading? if all creation is good, and no evil was created, can you excuse harming others? no single religion i know of excuses this. have you read Nietzche? i think you would like him (beyond good and evil)… except that of course his philosophy supported the rise of Nazism, the creation of the concentration camps…. is that where you want your ideas to go??? really???

      • Hmmm…. Cristina, I replied to your post elsewhere and will see if I can highlight some points. These writings are an attempt to help me (and anyone interested) understand what oneness means. The word oneness which has been used so much recently, to me, is a beautiful way of appreciating all that exists – God being the creator and within whom and of whom creation is created. So, there is no evil that is a thing, an entity. There are certainly things, events, intentions, etc. that are very, very, very not-good that we call evil, but that is a quality rather than a beingness. There can be good without evil, maybe that is the one thing we are not agreeing on. In the purest state of Goodness, from a non-dualist standpoint, Good can be the one and only state – the Divine state, the Pure state.
        When you ask, can we excuse harming others, I’m not sure if you mean – can we forgive the one who harms? or if you mean can we turn a blind eye, or ignore the harm that was caused? I think if we are in line with our Higher Selves we forgive, we have compassion for the pain of the one acting out in violence. Do we ignore the action, or the result? No.
        Do you really think I am endorsing or even giving the slightest support to the NAZI’s? I really hope that that was a joke.
        I do not like Nietzche, he is way too negative for me. I don’t see how you think I would support war or killing in any way. God, and all of creation that does not resist God, is good. That which resists the natural goodness is acting in goodness and we call the action evil. So, evil is not created it is a resistance to good, which is not good. But that kind of evil is not created in the same way that you, I, a tree or a mountain are created. That evil is a quality of action and intent. Does that make sense?
        Also, as far as no good without evil, there is another way of looking at things that is not dualistic, and I think eliminating the bonds of dualism is necessary when discussing oneness. There can be pure Good without an opposing Evil, while at the same time there are, within that Good, qualities, and those qualities are also not dualistic but rather on a scale of good to evil (rather than good or evil).
        If you want to know how this piece of oneness can be applied, I haven’t gotten to that part of the book yet, but let’s see where it might go….
        No substantial evil – so there is no Devil to be afraid of and no supernatural Evil One to hide from. That’s a big thing for a lot of people.
        Evil as a quality is human (or human created) so let’s have a better perspective of the animal kingdom and not victimize certain animals for reasons like – they are the symbol of the devil or because they eat pretty little rabbits.
        Let’s not kill people because they have done something bad (or evil). Prevent harm as much as possible, but have compassion for the perpetrator because their action is not because they are intrinsically evil but because they are resisting their naturally good state – and are certainly acting out of their own pain.
        Let’s try to have a more healing system than our current judicial system which is based on retribution .
        These are just some ideas and I’m not sure where or even if they would go in the book when and if it is published.
        Thank you for nudging me to think a little more about what I have written. I guess I need to be a little clearer about non-dualism when I put this all together.
        Peace and All Good
        Derek

  3. Just an opinion: Evil is not a force independent and outside of the one, or ones, creating suffering. It is a force within an individual(s) created by duality, discrimination, prejudice, fear, anger, grief and at the root it is a lashing out against that ‘out there’ due to the lack of receiving genuine intimacy in one’s life. I was taught as a boy that there were two forces in the universe: good and evil. I can no longer support two forces existing in the universe based on empirical experiences and practical reasoning. There is one force and evil does not exist outside or apart from an injured and confused mind(s). I am not suggesting that the evil in a person’s mind is not powerful, but it is localized within the individual(s) and it does not exist out there some where with the ability to influence and dictate. Or so it seems to me who used to believe in the Devil and that he was a powerful entity whose intent was totally malicious.

    • hi Joseph. unfortunately single individuals can congregate in groups of similarly minded, suffering beings, and end up influencing a lot of people into believing that something harmful is good. (think of segregation in the south of the US up to the 1960s, and apartheid in Africa even more recently).

      Derek, maybe i was not clear in my exposition. i agree with the idea of radical oneness. what i am saying is simply that if you say that evil is a human construct, it follows, rationally, philosophically, that good is also a human construct. (i did not mean to be offensive, but that is what is implied when you say evil is a human construct, and that takes you really, in my opinion, close to Nietzsche’s philosophy). i am just trying to think of the consequences of the ideas we are discussing – by no means i meant to offend you, personally – apologies if i did!!
      so, in my opinion, what is really missing in your argument (since you are trying to do this rationally, not mystically) is a rational argument for the existence of good as an entity. because from the way you talk about it, it simply sounds like a personal, ungrounded belief, or an assumption, but one easily destroyed by your very same argument on human constructs. do you understand what i mean? you use an argument against the concept of evil that can easily be used against the concept of good, so you put the seed of destruction into your own argument.

      • Thank you for that, Cristina. That I think is part of the following chapter. I really haven’t figured out how this will all fit together in the end. The following chapter should be Good or something that joins good and virtue. I am still not sure of the title for this one, either. Maybe once I get the encompassing Good piece into some shape it will be clearer.
        I was discussing organization with a friend just yesterday, so I’ve got some possible ideas, there are two that I keep wavering between. One is to organize the book into pairs (i.e. good/evil) where I would first try to break down attachment to the negative and then move to how what is left is incorporated into the positive whole. I think this might be easier for the reader, but I’m not sure. The other is to lay out topics in a spectrum that I think reflects oneness more accurately. The spectrum idea is to start with the commonly held problems (me too) of negative attachments, shift through two sections of negative and then positive sides of suffering and then move into the wholeness or oneness ideas, if that makes sense.
        Thank you for your help. Really. I wan’t so much offended as surprised and not sure how to respond.
        See, I’m still learning and just a normal unenlightened guy trying to get a little closer to a new understanding. ^&^
        As always, my Love to You
        Derek

        • i think the structure of the book will be clearer to you and even obvious when you’ve jotted down more thoughts and have more of an idea of the intricacies of your argument.
          it’s always a pleasure reading you – indeed intellectually stimulating!
          much love to you too

  4. I am curious if you have an direct experience in all you’re expounding here. When one takes this many words to describe something, it always appears to me they don’t have any direct experience or solid certainty. I have. It’s quite simple. The universe experiences itself via form. And “form” is by nature dualistic. Good and Evil exist only in isolated perception. In unified perception they cease to exist. Unfortunately, humanity’s obsessive predilection of analizing isn’t the way to unified perception. It’s actually the best way to avoid it, as it takes us further from it. Yet, there absolutely is a system to how life works … with specific ways to unify that will become available when one is finally committed to “finding” as opposed to “seeking”. ~ Christian Wolfe / TheMessengersEvent.com

    • I’m curious as to why number of words is displaying to you. One might as the same question about quantity of paint. ^^ And while I an not trying to compare myself to any of the great teachers by any means, the Dali Lama and the Buddhist teachers here in Korea speak for hours on end. There are several paths to oneness: awareness, compassion, mindfulness, and there is also the intellectual path. As I understand it the intellectual path slices our carves away at the walks of resistance until they finally crumble. Also, for people who have not even thought about an alternative to the perceived physical experience of opposites, I’m trying to offer some temptation some enticement to open their eyes a little wider.
      Thank you for your comments. I appreciate your having taken the time to read this writing and your thoughtful response.

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